Comments on: Reservation: Its no morality http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/ A cocktail of views, reviews and a few things more Thu, 15 Sep 2011 15:52:40 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Anonymous http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-107 Anonymous Mon, 15 May 2006 19:32:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-107 forgery of a person"s economic status??...well like caste forgery doesnt occur....i personally know enough cases in tamil nadu were ppl of fc get themselves obc certificates....for every argument u can make for pro-reservation as it stands today there are atleast a thousand more sane ways to social justice.but primary education and monetary help to the economically backward students dont win u votes now do they?? forgery of a person”s economic status??…well like caste forgery doesnt occur….i personally know enough cases in tamil nadu were ppl of fc get themselves obc certificates….for every argument u can make for pro-reservation as it stands today there are atleast a thousand more sane ways to social justice.but primary education and monetary help to the economically backward students dont win u votes now do they??

]]> By: barbarindian http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-106 barbarindian Thu, 11 May 2006 15:49:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-106 You got that right, it is immoral to the core. You got that right, it is immoral to the core.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Anonymous Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:09:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-105 hi<br/>i was at iitm from till 2004. I could not agree more with regards to the reservations issue you blogged abt....cheers hi
i was at iitm from till 2004. I could not agree more with regards to the reservations issue you blogged abt….cheers

]]> By: Shankar http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Shankar Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:56:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-104 @varkey<br/>the title reads: "reservation: it NO morality" and not "reservation: it NOT morality" ie reservation, by idea, does possess(or should possess) morality, but the way it is being implemented, the morality is all lost.<br/><br/>@anu<br/>i kinda agree.....the current system must be completely revamped if reservation should exist<br/><br/>@anonymous<br/>:D<br/>could you identify yourself? @varkey
the title reads: “reservation: it NO morality” and not “reservation: it NOT morality” ie reservation, by idea, does possess(or should possess) morality, but the way it is being implemented, the morality is all lost.

@anu
i kinda agree…..the current system must be completely revamped if reservation should exist

@anonymous
:D
could you identify yourself?

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-103 Anonymous Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:34:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-103 I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let's start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.<br/><br/>We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.<br/><br/>Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.<br/><br/>There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let's recruit I think we should have job reservations in all the fields. I completely support the PM and all the politicians for promoting this. Let’s start the reservation with our cricket team. We should have 10 percent reservation for muslims. 30 percent for OBC, SC/ST like that. Cricket rules should be modified accordingly. The boundary circle should be reduced for an SC/ST player. The four hit by an OBC player should be considered as a six and a six hit by a OBC player should be counted as 8 runs. An OBC player scoring 60 runs should be declared as a century.

We should influence ICC and make rules so that the pace bowlers like Shoaib Akhtar should not bowl fast balls to our OBC player. Bowlers should bowl maximum speed of 80 kilometer per hour to an OBC player. Any delivery above this speed should be made illegal.

Also we should have reservation in Olympics. In the 100 meters race, an OBC player should be given a gold medal if he runs 80 meters.

There can be reservation in Government jobs also. Let’s recruit

]]> By: Anu http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Anu Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:31:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-102 The reservations were introduced in the first place because The backward classes had been denied opportunities for education for generations. It is quite well known that as a general rule, children of better educated parents(or for that matter even literate parents) perform better in schools than children of uneducated parents. Some seats reserved for underprevileged students would give them a better chance to compete with students of a more priviled background. To that extent reservations are necessary. But one cannot reserve seperate seats for every different category of underprevileged students, thereby increasing the total percentage of seats reserved, and hence denying opportunities for millions of capable students. I am also surprised that no one seems to take into account how many generations of the same family make use of the reservations. I know a case where parents and even the grandfather is highly qualified and the third generation is entering proffessional courses on reserved quota. This I think is absurd. Like others have pointed out, the real underpriveleged are still denied opportunities. Reservations, yes. But a reasonable percentage, with everyone who is eligible competing as one category, and strictly for one generation. The reservations were introduced in the first place because The backward classes had been denied opportunities for education for generations. It is quite well known that as a general rule, children of better educated parents(or for that matter even literate parents) perform better in schools than children of uneducated parents. Some seats reserved for underprevileged students would give them a better chance to compete with students of a more priviled background. To that extent reservations are necessary. But one cannot reserve seperate seats for every different category of underprevileged students, thereby increasing the total percentage of seats reserved, and hence denying opportunities for millions of capable students. I am also surprised that no one seems to take into account how many generations of the same family make use of the reservations. I know a case where parents and even the grandfather is highly qualified and the third generation is entering proffessional courses on reserved quota. This I think is absurd. Like others have pointed out, the real underpriveleged are still denied opportunities. Reservations, yes. But a reasonable percentage, with everyone who is eligible competing as one category, and strictly for one generation.

]]> By: Varkey http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-101 Varkey Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:33:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-101 All I had to read was the Title.... I for one am Strongly Against Reservations...<br/> <br/>Basic education SHOULD be given to all ... but after that it should be purely on someone’s talent and aptitude..<br/><br/>Reservation shouldnt be based on Cast it should be based on the Financial background of a family ... <br/><br/>or do you mean to say that the SC/ST OBC People are not good enuff to compete with the others academically or intelluctually? I dont think so. All I had to read was the Title…. I for one am Strongly Against Reservations…

Basic education SHOULD be given to all … but after that it should be purely on someone’s talent and aptitude..

Reservation shouldnt be based on Cast it should be based on the Financial background of a family …

or do you mean to say that the SC/ST OBC People are not good enuff to compete with the others academically or intelluctually? I dont think so.

]]> By: Shankar http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-100 Shankar Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:50:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-100 I am quite surprized to find 17 comments in one day...first eight coming in first 3 hrs. Also, the post is linked on desipundit ... hopefully i can hear lot more reactions on this issue.<br/>-<br/>I support reservaion based on economics. I should have made that clear in my post.<br/>-<br/><i><br/>Anonymous said...<br/><br/>My view on why reservation is bad:<br/>(NOT being SC/ST does NOT mean you are rich!)<br/>Look, if you tell a student that he is going to get into IIT (Or pass the 10th std for that matter) with a lesser effort than the guy who works for 18 hrs a day ,he will just not study. This makes him appear as less intelligent (although his IQ may be high). This in the long term pushes down the quality of education in the SC/ST/OBC classes as they do not feel the need to study. <br/></i><br/>@Anonymous (no 13): true, i wanted to add this point in my post, somehow slipped my mind. when attendance is not taken in a class, even the best of the students bunk. Lethagy is a tendency. Only when you know that there is a consequence, we stand up. General Merit guy knows that if he looses two marks he looses 100 ranks, while reserved cadidate in loosing only 1 or 2. This further brings him down.<br/>--<br/><br/>@fbi: I do think that reservation based on economics is the only form which deserves to be implemented. would love to read the essay by Shashi Tharoor.<br/><br/>@rahul: all i am saying is 'most' of students belonging to reserved class are affluent. i may not know about 1900 ranker in perticular.<br/><br/>@sash: yes, it is time we look beyond reservation to uplift the poor.<br/><br/>@ashish (atul vasu): I do know that its not a coincidence that most of sc/st are poor. they have been oppressed before, may take couple of generation more to bridge the gap (thanks to the inefficiency of govt.). reservation based on financial status would help not only the socially opressed but also those exploited.<br/><br/>@Anonymous: its too early to protest.... i am sure the bill will not be passed.... too many people are against it.<br/><br/>@ashish: agree.<br/><br/>@rajashekar: today, atleast inthe cities, nobosy is socially deprived. In villages, if anybody is, they are sure to be poor. reservation based on income is fine.<br/><br/>@mahesh: yes, it does divide people. it's going contrary to very idea of resevation.<br/><br/>@arvind: i agree<br/><br/>@manohar: good suggestion ...<br/><br/>@mahesh madhavan: 'total' number of reserved seats can go upto max, say, 10%.<br/><br/>@Anonymous (no 12): stress should be on primary education<br/><br/>@kumar: thanks :)<br/><br/>@realitycheck: i have commented on your blog.... other pleas have a look at http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/<br/><br/>@anonymous<br/><i><br/>///Seats are reserved for primary education, acceptable; seats are reserved for secondary (high school) education, again acceptable; reservation in plus two, doesn’t decide the future in a big way, acceptable.///<br/>what the f*** ?<br/></i><br/>can you make it clear, what is it that you are upset about?<br/><br/>@anonymous (no 17 i think): the "chalta hai" attitute is what has cost us a lot...literally...we are ok with paying 100 bucks evey time we get a new gas connection, telephone connection, driving licence or anything you name. I am quite surprized to find 17 comments in one day…first eight coming in first 3 hrs. Also, the post is linked on desipundit … hopefully i can hear lot more reactions on this issue.
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I support reservaion based on economics. I should have made that clear in my post.
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Anonymous said…

My view on why reservation is bad:
(NOT being SC/ST does NOT mean you are rich!)
Look, if you tell a student that he is going to get into IIT (Or pass the 10th std for that matter) with a lesser effort than the guy who works for 18 hrs a day ,he will just not study. This makes him appear as less intelligent (although his IQ may be high). This in the long term pushes down the quality of education in the SC/ST/OBC classes as they do not feel the need to study.

@Anonymous (no 13): true, i wanted to add this point in my post, somehow slipped my mind. when attendance is not taken in a class, even the best of the students bunk. Lethagy is a tendency. Only when you know that there is a consequence, we stand up. General Merit guy knows that if he looses two marks he looses 100 ranks, while reserved cadidate in loosing only 1 or 2. This further brings him down.
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@fbi: I do think that reservation based on economics is the only form which deserves to be implemented. would love to read the essay by Shashi Tharoor.

@rahul: all i am saying is ‘most’ of students belonging to reserved class are affluent. i may not know about 1900 ranker in perticular.

@sash: yes, it is time we look beyond reservation to uplift the poor.

@ashish (atul vasu): I do know that its not a coincidence that most of sc/st are poor. they have been oppressed before, may take couple of generation more to bridge the gap (thanks to the inefficiency of govt.). reservation based on financial status would help not only the socially opressed but also those exploited.

@Anonymous: its too early to protest…. i am sure the bill will not be passed…. too many people are against it.

@ashish: agree.

@rajashekar: today, atleast inthe cities, nobosy is socially deprived. In villages, if anybody is, they are sure to be poor. reservation based on income is fine.

@mahesh: yes, it does divide people. it’s going contrary to very idea of resevation.

@arvind: i agree

@manohar: good suggestion …

@mahesh madhavan: ‘total’ number of reserved seats can go upto max, say, 10%.

@Anonymous (no 12): stress should be on primary education

@kumar: thanks :)

@realitycheck: i have commented on your blog…. other pleas have a look at http://realitycheck.wordpress.com/

@anonymous

///Seats are reserved for primary education, acceptable; seats are reserved for secondary (high school) education, again acceptable; reservation in plus two, doesn’t decide the future in a big way, acceptable.///
what the f*** ?

can you make it clear, what is it that you are upset about?

@anonymous (no 17 i think): the “chalta hai” attitute is what has cost us a lot…literally…we are ok with paying 100 bucks evey time we get a new gas connection, telephone connection, driving licence or anything you name.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-99 Anonymous Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:01:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-99 Reservations on grounds of caste is an abortion of justice. An OBC who has attended the same schools as a general category student BUT has not studied knowing fully well that he will anycase get into the IITs or IIMs on a reserved quota should not be allowed to enter. Reservation on economic grounds would I am sure be more that welcome by all.<br/>We Indians are happy with being a mediocre society and the words "Chalta hai yaar" epitomises our very mindset. Reservations will only add to this. Reservations on grounds of caste is an abortion of justice. An OBC who has attended the same schools as a general category student BUT has not studied knowing fully well that he will anycase get into the IITs or IIMs on a reserved quota should not be allowed to enter. Reservation on economic grounds would I am sure be more that welcome by all.
We Indians are happy with being a mediocre society and the words “Chalta hai yaar” epitomises our very mindset. Reservations will only add to this.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.coolshankin.com/blog/2006/04/09/reservation-its-no-morality/comment-page-1/#comment-98 Anonymous Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:46:00 +0000 http://coolshankin.gaddarinc.com/blog/?p=44#comment-98 ///Seats are reserved for primary education, acceptable; seats are reserved for secondary (high school) education, again acceptable; reservation in plus two, doesn’t decide the future in a big way, acceptable.///<br/><br/><br/>what the f*** ? ///Seats are reserved for primary education, acceptable; seats are reserved for secondary (high school) education, again acceptable; reservation in plus two, doesn’t decide the future in a big way, acceptable.///

what the f*** ?

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