Comments on: Reservation Issue

By: venusian_observer

venusian_observer — Sat, 27 May 2006 10:41:00 +0000

i’ve tried to address the issue of ‘meritocracy’ in my blog – http://launchingpad.blogspot.com/2006/04/achieving-equality-through-unequal.html

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 26 May 2006 12:04:00 +0000

These anti-reservation protests held all over the country have simply exposed the quality of politicians we have at this point of time.How is it possible that not even a single party/indivisual feels the way as thousands of students feel?Initially I thought that atleast a few MP’s from the younger geberation like Jyothiraditya scindia,Sachin Pilot etc would come out in open against reservation,I don’t know why but I had this HOPE .I am sure there are many ppl in Parliament who don’t approve of this legislation but they are forced to stay quite bcos of this party politics and “popularity” which is more dear to them than future of this nation.I think this one of those occassions where denocracy fails.Democracy can work when all the chosen representatives open their mouth and and take a stand they believe in.But it seems that no party can afford to be anti-reservation.I must also make this point that most of these student organisations which have such a big influence like ABVP etc did nothing to support the striking students.But at the same time it is heartening to see that there are so many ppl who are ready to risk their jobs etc for a cause.May be students will fail this time,as it is very clear that the govt has deceide to ignore any amount of public outcry but the unity and the courage shown by the students will defnitely go a long way.

There is nothing that cannot be changed by a mass struggle.

S.Manohar

By: Aravind

Aravind — Fri, 26 May 2006 09:19:00 +0000

In 2003 , rank 1(SC/ST) (less than 10 in GE) in JEE chose a seat in General Merit. He was hailed. I don’t see why?

I think he must be hailed. The reservation system is defacing those among the ‘backward classes’ who are actually good. It is high time someone amongst them came out and said that they don’t need reservation, and that they are capable of leading their lives without reservation, keeping their heads high. This chap had done something like it. His act reflects that he’s capable of competing with the rest. If someone says that this is a sporadic case, I’d say that the reservation system had made such cases sporadic.

By: Naresh

Naresh — Thu, 25 May 2006 14:20:00 +0000

now goto my blog and put comment.
if you feel like, read it.

By: Naresh

Naresh — Thu, 25 May 2006 14:18:00 +0000

guess it was a nice post.
i dint read it.
i dont feel like reading/writing/listening.. dont want to have anything to do with this reservation shit.

will tell you something funny though.
there is this staff canteen in IITB.
and there is a lawn next to it.
some people are doing a hunger strike right there. very comfortable no?
but thats not the funny part.
there is another group, right opposite to this one which is doing a "we support reservation" strike.
its all the same.
words spoken any more are of no use.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Thu, 25 May 2006 04:14:00 +0000

nice post dude!!!!!
everythign was covered…..

Rohit…(naksha…)

By: Mahesh Mahadevan

Mahesh Mahadevan — Thu, 25 May 2006 00:45:00 +0000

I have this to say:
1. The post is well-written, no doubt about that.
2. 27% is the indication that the pie is being cut by the top order, they have gone forward with ‘selling’ off IIT/IIM seats for votes. When practically every other Engg/Med/whatever college has been reduced to a business, it is pathetic that the government had to bring this fate on us, thanks to the incorrigible senile lunatics there.
3. There’s so many arguments about ‘statistics’ here. I couldn’t verify a single source, not even the ones cited in the Hindu article except for the 19xx census. Dear all, the next time you cite a source, for the sake of the general population, please leave a link to it.
4. We are all in a state of Brahma as portrayed in many a siuation in our mythology. We are part of the population(no matter what) which has voted this government to power and are totally helpless against whatever nonsense it does, and it is threatening us now.
5. I’ve had enough of this crappy politics, I’d rather be a Spartan/Nazi.

By: Venkat

Venkat — Wed, 24 May 2006 21:32:00 +0000

Oh boy, you people have some enthu in life! I’ll narrate a little incident about the power of IIT, quite odd but very true. Me and my friend Yashodan went to Walmart (supermarket store) and within 5 mins of being in Walmart, Yashodan got invited to a dinner by someone and his wife, he just met for 30 seconds because he was from IIT, and I was engaging in a long conversation with a chinese person and he detailed about how 60-70% of Stanford graduate students are from the IIT. Well, it may not seem that obvious in India what the tag “IIT” carries but that day in Walmart just shook me up. So reconsider this – forget every statistic you were went through, the only thing you need to look at is the ability of the generation coming to keep this name. “YOU ARE CHOSEN ONES” – I am not trying to be egotistical but that’s the truth, more so with what I have seen in the recent while.

By: Ganesh V

Ganesh V — Wed, 24 May 2006 18:43:00 +0000

I agree with you on 2 things though..

1. The case for the OBC's is not the same as that for the SC/ST's. Many of them are really well off..and the creamy layer clause is essential.

2. When reservation exists.. I don't see a reason to allow reserved candidates to enter through the unreserved category.

I feel i'll be thrashed around here.. but still let me try..

Please try to read the following posts

Hindu 1

Hindu 2

prob the second one doesn't make too much sense here.. but the first one does..

"They believe that OBCs are under-represented in higher educational institutes in our country. They have absolutely no statistics to prove that though."

Just because the politicians.. esp Arjun Singh does not say it in an interview, it does not mean so.. There are ample statistics. and a reading of the first link that I have given should suffice.. Ask me if you need anymore. !!!

I would like to publicise my blog too.. (after all I am human!!).. do read
Reservation Issues page

atleast the first post that you see there !! about the frontline article !!
Do understand that I have been on your side initially !!

"Some protesters ask, “what more do upper caste want? They have 50.5% seats for 15% population?” No, those 50.5% seats are not reserved for us."

Sitting in the villages.. with no access to FIIT-JEE like institutes.. how do you expect them to compete with us ?? So if you are going to select pple only based on so called merit.. then it amounts to nothing less than those 50.5 % seats being reserved for us.

"The government is simply not addressing the issue of extending primary education to all. (which is a fundamental right btw)"

Agreed.. please read what's below.. I agreee .. tough to understand it.. I failed to do so.. when I was on your side !!

"There is an argument that shows its head whenever there is a proposal to give reservation to SEdBC (and SC and ST). This is that what these communities require is not reservation in higher education but good education from the earliest stages. The argument makes it appear as though the SC, ST and SEdBC categories have no interest in pursuing good education. But the fact of the matter is that these communities are as conscious of the need for and thirsty for good education as any
other community. But it is beyond their reach on account of the role most of them are cast in by their birth."

The process of reservation in education began in 1902 in the small princely state of Kolhapur, for Backward Classes - covering the present BCs, SCs and other non-Brahmin castes that are not in the post-Constitution lists of BCs.

That's an important point to be noted..It's not present day politicians who pulled up this issue from the blue by introducing a legislation.. Please read and be aware of the history of reservation in India b4 coming to any conclusions abt politicians pulling vote banks..!!

I would go as far as saying.. Assume politicians are pulling vote banks..!! Let it be so.. !! but the end results are worth more than any of these useless name callings !!

My only crib against those against reservation is that.. most pple that I meet.. seem to have no idea regarding the actual statistics, but still argue at the height of their voice !! Most arguments are like.. the OBC's form only 20% of the population.. why give them 27% ??. Such statements are obviously nonsense.!! Like the following one that you made !!

"NSSO's figures indicate that OBCs are getting their share of the cake."

Really !! where did you get that enlightenment from ?? It doesn't seem so obvisous to me.. rather it seems the other way round !!

Please try to look up statistics with your mind minus the prejudices !!

By: leftit

leftit — Wed, 24 May 2006 18:29:00 +0000

@ KV.. indeed.. that interview.. i just shudder to think what will happen to the nation if we are headed by such ppl..

@ CoolShankin...

agree whole heartedly da... this one has been more of a "vote bank policy" move than a wise one.. the congress just wants to ensure that it stays in power.. thats what i personally feel..
Their numbers.. for 50% reservation.. are based on a friggin 1931 census.. for heavensake.. somebody knock some sense into them.. indias population has grown abt 100 times that now.. x(